Will Armie Hammer face any consequences for multiple accounts of abuse? Or will the Hammer Family dynasty survive and thrive through corruption for another generation? DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded before the death of Michael Hammer.
Will Armie Hammer face any consequences for multiple accounts of abuse? Or will the Hammer Family dynasty survive and thrive through corruption for another generation? DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded before the death of Michael Hammer.
This podcast contains sensitive information about violence, sexual assault, and domestic abuse.
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SYD: This podcast is intended for mature audiences episodes discuss
emotional physical and sexual violence listener discretion is advised
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SYD: I'm Syd OLIVIA: I'm Olivia SYD: and welcome back to dark
Dynasty's
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SYD: This is the podcast where we focus on different rich and Powerful
families with ultimately expose themselves to be corrupt
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Messed up very dark OLIVIA: we're still talking about the Hammer
family we've talked about Armie Hammer his grandfather Julian his
great-grandfather Armand and his aunt Casey which
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OLIVIA: Which leaves us with the story of Michael Hammer Army's father
SYD: we are basing this off of House of hammer on Discovery plus so if
you want to watch that series and follow along with
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SYD: We highly recommended it [HOUSE OF HAMMER TV show]. OLIVA: Let's
start this episode talking about Casey
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OLIVIA: Casey Hammer if you aren't familiar at this point is Armie
Hammer's aunt and she wrote a book about the dark misdeeds of her
family
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SYD: And she's on House of hammer exposing the secrets of the Hammer
family OLIVIA: she comes out and puts everything out there SYD: and I
believe her brother Michael who
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SYD: Who will be talking about in this episode actually reached out to
her
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OLIVIA: During all of this coming out
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SYD: Stick around for that OLIVIA: Yeah... not the best. SYD: Let's
start off talking about Michael. Michael went to University of San
Diego
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OLIVIA: In the same abusive household that we were talking about last
time when we were talking more about Julian- Casey and Michael's
father- there was a lot of violence a lot of
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OLIVIA: Really bad stuff at Julian did Michael was older than Casey
SYD: Michael was living with Julian while Casey was living with her
mother
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OLIVIA: After the divorce, Michael stayed with Julian, so he was
really
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OLIVIA: Just surrounded with all of that energy and all of that like
that that was a precedent for like this is what your life can be you
can just be this guy
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SYD: And Michael kind of started following in his Father's Footsteps
OLIVIA: absolutely
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SYD: He, you know, was surrounded by constant parties so he started
throwing constant parties.
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OLIVIA: Like famous party boy photos of orgies like his father he had
all of these different things that just directly mirrored what Julian
was doing
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OLIVIA: He was just copying and pasting and I feel like with each
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OLIVIA: Generation they get a little bit more careless when they're
being
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OLIVIA: Insane SYD: They're repeatedly taught that they can get away
with things OLIVIA: exactly SYD: and so they become a little bit more
Reckless each time.
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OLIVIA: Armand saw that and was like oh no
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OLIVIA: This is going to ruin our name if Michael goes off the deep
end SYD: but the only way that Michael was kind of different than
Julian is Julian was a little less concerned I think with staying in
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SYD: His father's good graces OLIVIA: absolutely SYD: Michael was
super concerned with being Armand's favorite. Why do you think that
would be? OLIVIA: Um, I don't know.
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OLIVIA: Might be because Armand would always say he's a billionaire
SYD: And would always say he would cut anybody off who disobeys him.
OLIVIA: And also hates his own son Julian,
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OLIVIA: who Michael also hates. So why not just step right in front.
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OLIVIA: Julian and Michael, Father and Son, hated each other. Like
would always fight. They tried to kill eachother at a party and the
cops broke them up and let them both drunk drive home. Like crazy
stuff.
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SYD: But if Michael could get ahead of Julian in Armand's will OLIVIA:
Oh absolutely he would go for it. SYD: Then he [Michael] would make a
bunch of money.
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SYD: At some point, he [Michael] was like I need to show a version of
myself to my grandfather that's going to get me higher in the will
OLIVIA: exactly
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OLIVIA: At a certain point when Michael was in college, Armand told
him: I'm going to cut you off entirely unless you clean up and do a
essentially everything you're doing but just more private so basically
Michael you know
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OLIVIA: He gets a haircut he starts looking a little bit more the
party
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SYD: And this makes his grandfather very happy. OLIVIA: Oh absolutely
and it's not like he actually cleans up and starts to be a better guy.
He's doing all the same horrible stuff but he's
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SYD: A little bit more private OLIVIA: exactly exactly SYD: So Michael
was bringing home a different girl every week and then one day he
takes a flight
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OLIVIA: As he goes and does it, he is absolutely trashed he is
blackout drunk he is hammered Michael Hammer is hammered
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SYD: He's in first class and he meets this woman Dru. D-R-U. Cool way
of spelling Drew. She comes from money also.
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OLIVIA: She comes from a rich family in Oklahoma.
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OLIVIA: Religious
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OLIVIA: Christian Rich family in Oklahoma she meets Michael on this
plane to sit next to each other and he is literally blackout drunk
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SYD: Before the end of the flight, she's thinking to herself, I'm
going to marry this man OLIVIA: she said before the plane landed she
had made up her mind that she wanted to marry this man SYD: so crazy
cuz anytime I've ever met a guy
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SYD: who was super drunk on a plane I've always thought maybe I should
stay away from him
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OLIVIA: How do you decide to marry someone that you've never met
sober. That's a crazy one.
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SYD: So Michael introduces Dru to his family and the family is like
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OLIVIA: Like actually hold up
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OLIVIA: This is a good look for you SYD: which is so funny cuz Armand
is Jewish OLIVIA: Jewish but he seems like it doesn't matter all of
these things
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OLIVIA: To Armand it's not about the fact
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OLIVIA: That she is a Christian girl is the fact that she looks like
she would be a wholesome
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OLIVIA: A good wife imagine SYD: It doesn't matter what the religion
is. It just matters she's religious. Which is a good wholesome image.
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SYD: So he's like you should 100% stay with this girl and he thinks
Dru can change his grandson which is the silliest thing I've ever
heard
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OLIVIA: Oh boy oh boy oh boy. SYD: To to him, he's like this is going
to be a great look and there you go. They get engaged and they're
going to go get married.
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SYD: I mean Michael is hanging out with other people going to parties
like with women OLIVIA: And people are like, "Where's Dru? Are you
guys still together?" And he's like, "Yeah she just couldn't come
tonight."
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SYD: He's still being the Michael we've all come to know.
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OLIVIA: And then they have a son.
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SYD: They do. They have two kids. OLIVIA: What's the deal with these
kids? What happened to them? SYD: Well one of them is Armie Hammer.
OLIVIA: Oh fuck me.
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SYD: So they have two kids, one of them being Armie Hammer, and they
go to the Cayman Islands.
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SYD: I only know about the Cayman Islands for one thing- like an
offshore bank account
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SYD: I have never heard of like a travel commercial for the Cayman
Islands other than people being like, "Oh yeah, that's where the
offshore bank accounts go."
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OLIVIA: So yeah. Raised Armie Hammer in the Cayman Islands for the
first bunch of years of his life.
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SYD: And then they come back to Los Angeles and Armie is like, "I'm
going to be an actor."
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OLIVIA: Armie's Aunt tells us, she was in House of Hammer,
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OLIVIA: And she says that when they were all at a family gathering and
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OLIVIA: Michael just came up to her and kicked her in the shin and
left SYD: perfect
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OLIVIA: Little red flag of just like so even as a kid you had some
sort of dysregulated emotions but Casey couldn't say anything because
you don't say anything about the boys in the Hammer family.
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OLIVIA: Especially not the one that's literally named after Armand.
That's another thing- that Michael also went above and beyond to...
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OLIVIA: I want to say seduce Armand. But like in a way. SYD: He's
brown nosing him. OLIVIA: Yeah to brown nose him. I'm sure Armand
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OLIVIA: Fucken loved that, so this is what's crazy so
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OLIVIA: Armand right, as we've said a bunch of times in this podcast.
Armand dies. As we all do. SYD: Spoiler alert. OLIVIA: Spoiler alert.
SYD: We all die. OLIVIA: Armand dies.
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OLIVIA: Everyone in the family, of course, is going like what's going
to happen. SYD: What's going to happen to this billionaire's wealth.
OLIVIA: We all played by his rules. What's going to happen now that
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OLIVIA: he died. Where is it going to go? Who's it going to? So when
the will is being read
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OLIVIA: Casey Hammer: Michael's sister,
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OLIVIA: Julian's daughter, and Armand's granddaughter,
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OLIVIA: Gets $250,000
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SYD: Julian gets $500,000 and then 40 million dollars goes to Michael
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OLIVIA: How did that happen? SYD: well I can tell you how he named his
son after him. If he took over and became the son that he never had,
then you became like the favorite
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OLIVIA: Absolutely. SYD: He did the business. He did all the stuff
that Armand really wanted. OLIVIA: And also, everyone is going, "Well
that seems really one-sided that Michael is getting
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OLIVIA: so much money. He gets the entire estate. He gets the Rolls
Royce. He gets everything." SYD: Dru was also written into the will.
OLIVIA: And when was that will written?
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SYD: 40 days before he died. OLIVIA: Oh so he had an original will and
then they rewrote it 40 days before he died. With Dru. And Michael.
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SYD: The most recent version of the will was like extremely close to
his death.
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OLIVIA: Additional behind-the-scenes stuff happened too that you like
will just never ever ever know. SYD: Michael and Dru, the second that
Armand is dead, are in the house looting his things.
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OLIVIA: He's dead- in the house- and they are taking tapestries to the
car and a bunch of his stuff. Which is crazy.
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SYD: It's all about the stuff and so Michael and Drew put a bunch of
this money toward Evangelical causes OLIVIA: because another crazy
crazy crazy crazy thing about this is that
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OLIVIA: funeral- and Armand is Jewish. Everyone knows it. SYD: There
are a lot of rabbis there. Famous rabbis at the funeral. OLIVIA: Dru's
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OLIVIA: Evangelical Christian father stands up in the middle of the
funeral
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OLIVIA: By the way Armand actually renounce Judaism and accepted Jesus
Christ and became a born-again Christian SYD AND OLIVIA TOGETHER: on
his Deathbed
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OLIVIA: Now
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SYD: I would say
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OLIVIA: Do we think he did? Or do you think they lied? SYD: I don't
think he did. OLIVIA: I don't think he did. I think they converted him
after death.
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SYD: Here's what I would say. If I were dying. My last thought
wouldn't be, "Should I change my religion?"
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SYD: I would be like, "Oh f*** there were so many things I didn't get
to eat." OLIVIA: I would be like, "S*** I'm dying."
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OLIVIA: I wouldn't be like wait wait wait wait wait I have a really
specific change I want to do. So they say that he [Armand] converted
to Evangelical Christian faith
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OLIVIA: And therefore we are investing all of his money into
Evangelical Christian causes like he would have wanted.
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OLIVIA: Obviously because he was a Christian during the last second of
his life SYD: and you know what one of those beautiful Evangelical
Christian causes
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SYD: It's a sex throne. OLIVIA: Oh fuck. SYD: So, yeah, Michael had a
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SYD: sex throne. OLIVIA: So okay here's my question, right, what the
f*** is a sex throne.
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SYD: So there was like a hook... OLIVIA: The way they described it in
House of Hammer, it was seven feet tall, there was a hole in the seat
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SYD: Okay I don't know if I'm naive but I don't know what that's for.
OLIVIA: Is it for poopies?
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OLIVIA: Why would you get a hole in the bottom of your seat? SYD: It
reminds me of the shape of a a toilet. OLIVIA: It's like a toilet.
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OLIVIA: And then there's a cage under. Is that to poop on people in
the cage? I don't want it be. SYD: Unless it's consentual. OLIVIA:
Unless they love it. But I don't think
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OLIVIA: Knowing this family that anything ever is [consentual]. I
don't think anything is consentual in this family.
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SYD: Here's the thing. I don't picture Dru being behind this. OLIVIA:
I mean I don't know either Drew is like a really specific breed and
just like covers her ears or doesn't know anything.
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SYD: I can't imagine Dru being like, "Hell yeah Michael sex grown I
love it," just a going along with everything we know about her people
use religion to cover up dark stuff and then they just pretend
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OLIVIA: Maybe she's into it
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OLIVIA: I guess my question is what
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OLIVIA: is the hook for?
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SYD: I don't know. I don't know what the hook was for, but I don't
like it. But here's the thing I don't like the most. You know, you
have your sex throne, you have your hook. OLIVIA: You have your sex
throne, your hook. You have your toilet seat.
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SYD: The 7ft thing. But you know what you don't have to have is your
family's name on it.
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OLIVIA: He has his families' name on it? SYD: Yeah the insignia.
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OLIVIA: The Hammer family crest? SYD: Yeah so on the sex throne was
the Hammer family crest and here's what I have to say about that. That
would only remind me of my grandfather during se.
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OLIVIA: How could you how could you look at a family crest while
you're having sex?
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SYD: It's awesome to have
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SYD: Sexual items that remind you of your family members cuz
apparently that's what Michael Hammer loved. OLIVIA: Oh he loved it.
And the other couple of crazy things about it is that he
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OLIVIA: Kept it in the Armand Hammer Foundation headquarters
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OLIVIA: And when people obviously asked him SYD: Oh my God it's a gag
gift OLIVIA: It's just a gag gift. SYD: You know when you go to White
Elephant and someone opens the seven foot tall sex throne.
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OLIVIA: We are such gag gift people. I will always appreciate a gag
gift. But no one has ever
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OLIVIA: Made a custom 7 ft tall, caged, hooked,
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OLIVIA: Family Insignia imprinted
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OLIVIA: Sex throne for someone as a gag- in general.
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OLIVIA: That's something that someone messed up does and then people
like us laugh at it. Instead of someone doing it on purpose to make
that guy laugh.
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SYD: It's like having fuzzy sexul handcuff that only open when you
explain a cherished childhood memory. OLIVIA: It's like having the
wall paper of your sex dungeon just be your family tree.
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OLIVIA: It's so weird. SYD: It's perfect absolutely perfect. A sex
swing made out of paper mache yearbook photos of your sibling.
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SYD: Michael, if you're listening to this if you want to explain to us
what the deal is with the sex throne. Listen. I'm happy to know.
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OLIVIA: I would love to know how that fits into like the whole
Christian Vibe you guys but this all makes kind of sense for
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OLIVIA: the guy who raised Armie Hammer. They get in fights too.
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OLIVIA: They got in a fight in the Cayman Islands.
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OLIVIA: Like during the pandemic and it was news worthy. SYD: Armie
and Michael you know
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SYD: Outwardly hated each other still probably do and even when
Courtney talks in the documentary and talks about going to dinner and
meeting Dru for the first time
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OLIVIA: You just glaze over that for a second but then you go back and
you watch it and you're like, "Wait, what did they just say?" SYD: She
says that Armie is talking about all these things that are terrible
about his father.
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SYD: Dru saying you need to have more empathy for him because things
that happened during his childhood and Courtney didn't feel totally
comfortable sharing what she said
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SYD: I mean it was stuff that was said in front of this girl who's
like a new girlfriend
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SYD: You know it's like family secrets that are just kind of
recklessly coming out yeah in front of people who don't necessarily
need to be hearing them. OLIVIA: I mean someone that like if you're
trying
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OLIVIA: to protect your family's name, then you shouldn't be telling
traumatizing thing that happened to Michael when he was a kid to a
person you just met.
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SYD: Armand was so so clear about trying to keep the family name like
everybody loves the Hammers.
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SYD: The Hammers are philanthropists. But it's so interesting
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SYD: Now it's
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SYD: It's become really easy to see right through it OLIVIA: With the
whole cycle of abuse. Looking at how are men treated. How Armand
treated Julian. How Julian treated Michael.
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OLIVIA: How Michael treated Armie. Now how Armie treats everybody.
SYD: The cycle of abuse that doesn't even end at like sexual partners.
OLIVIA: No, abusive people don't just abuse women or just abuse their
romantic or sexual partners. .
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SYD: Sure. I think Armie Hammer even had co-workers who had come
forward and shared experiences with him too. I think they
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Didn't give their Identity or exactly how he's connected Armie yeah
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SYD: The Hammer Dynasty has consistently hurt their own image with
corruption and debauchery and all this stuff
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SYD: The question now
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SYD: Is will Armie Hammer
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SYD: Ever face
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SYD: Real consequences legal consequences for what he did.
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SYD: Or will he try to rehab his image and will people believe it.
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OLIVIA: I mean cuz he went to rehab. Couldn't tell you what it would
have been for. SYD: Yeah so Armie Hammer went to rehab when more and
more women started coming forward
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SYD: Like I was assaulted by Armie Hammer I had really bad experience
with him. He very publicly went to rehab but it's not clear what he
went to rehab for.
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OLIVIA: You can't get rehabilitated from being a sociopath. SYD: I
don't think you can. But I would like to know what he went for
specifically.
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OLIVIA: Then they did the whole thing where they were like, "He's got
a new girl, and she changed him." And it's like oh boy oh boy boy.
SYD: Oh no. OLIVIA: I mean first off, that's like what Armand wanted
Dru to be.
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SYD: History just repeats itself. OLIVIA: It is not a thing that
happens. You cannot change people. SYD: It's interesting that the
Hammer family is using the same ploys to try to change the Public
Image.
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OLIVIA: It's so interesting how with
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OLIVIA: You know
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OLIVIA: Armand who had all the controlling power with him. Armand is
gone and with Julian gone.
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OLIVIA: Michael,
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OLIVIA: Casey, and Armie are the only real
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OLIVIA: Public figures
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OLIVIA: From the whole story
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OLIVIA: That are like
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OLIVIA: Alive SYD: and Michael is trying to silence OLIVIA: yes yes
SYD: Casey OLIVIA: oh my god when she came out and started
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OLIVIA: Telling all of this stuff
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OLIVIA: You know she got a text from a friend who is like hey watch
out watch your back. SYD: Make sure you're not being followed. OLIVIA:
Don't put your address on anything. SYD: Don't share your location.
OLIVIA: If you see the same
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Same stranger's face twice, run. Scariest shit I've ever heard. But
yeah. I mean holy shit.
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SYD: Because Michael then reached out to Casey and I think it's like
him being like I will
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SYD: Take legal action if you continue to speak about our family and
he keeps saying if you keep continue to spread the lies.
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OLIVIA: Yeah the hurtful lies. Which is what all manipulators say.
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SYD: Right. So again not taking accountability. OLIVIA: Not at all.
Just gaslighting her. Making her seem crazy. Making it seem like she
made it all up. In what world would she have anything to gain.
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SYD: Yeah she wouldn't necessarily benefit from it. OLIVIA: There
wouldn't be a single benefit. SYD: And she is kind of having to relive
this trauma
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SYD: to tell the story and I think part of it is for her to be a sign
to people of hey this kind of stuff happens and here are ways that you
can spot it.
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OLIVIA: The docu-series like
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OLIVIA: In her day growing up
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OLIVIA: Abuse happened
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OLIVIA: And you had to be quiet about it like the whole cultural thing
about it like being very quiet don't share that and now we've hit a
point in society where we're seeing that we actually
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OLIVIA: be like actually you know what fuck what that person did.
Because it's true. No one should be
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OLIVIA: Allowed to
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OLIVIA: Abuse so many people without being held accountable.
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SYD: And unfortunately so many of the victims are given this like
backlash that is so undeserved. But these people are really strong.
The people who are coming forward are really
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SYD:strong and even in House of hammer they showed Casey meeting
Courtney a really really touching moment
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SYD: Of her being able to say I'm here for you
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SYD: Like I didn't provide any sort of like sollace.
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OLIVIA: What a trip like to sit down and be like we were both
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OLIVIA: just abused by the same family but just like different
generations. That's got to be such a trip. I'm so glad that they got
to meet because
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OLIVIA: What they're saying is super f****** important if you haven't
watched House of Hammer on Discovery plus crazy crazy
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OLIVIA: Crazy story and I think it's still continuing will find out
what happens to Armie Hammer in the future but you know just don't
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OLIVIA: Don't let
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OLIVIA: People slip under the radar once they've done some really loud
bad stuff like that hold people accountable don't don't fall for the
rehab trick and all that jazz it's not
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OLIVIA: It's just PR. SYD: Thank you for listening to Dark Dynasty's
this concludes our episodes about the Hammer family but if you stay
tuned we'll talk
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SYD: We'll talk about more famous families and how money, power,
insecurities, and lies can destroy generation after generation. I've
been Syd. OLIVIA: I've been Olivia.
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SYD: Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.