Dark Dynasties

The Hammer Family: Getting Away With It… Again (Part 4)

Episode Summary

Will Armie Hammer face any consequences for multiple accounts of abuse? Or will the Hammer Family dynasty survive and thrive through corruption for another generation? DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded before the death of Michael Hammer.

Episode Notes

Will Armie Hammer face any consequences for multiple accounts of abuse? Or will the Hammer Family dynasty survive and thrive through corruption for another generation? DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded before the death of Michael Hammer.

This podcast contains sensitive information about violence, sexual assault, and domestic abuse.

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Episode Transcription

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SYD: This podcast is intended for mature audiences episodes discuss

emotional physical and sexual violence listener discretion is advised

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SYD: I'm Syd OLIVIA: I'm Olivia SYD: and welcome back to dark

Dynasty's

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SYD: This is the podcast where we focus on different rich and Powerful

families with ultimately expose themselves to be corrupt

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Messed up very dark OLIVIA: we're still talking about the Hammer

family we've talked about Armie Hammer his grandfather Julian his

great-grandfather Armand and his aunt Casey which

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OLIVIA: Which leaves us with the story of Michael Hammer Army's father

SYD: we are basing this off of House of hammer on Discovery plus so if

you want to watch that series and follow along with

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SYD: We highly recommended it [HOUSE OF HAMMER TV show]. OLIVA: Let's

start this episode talking about Casey

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OLIVIA: Casey Hammer if you aren't familiar at this point is Armie

Hammer's aunt and she wrote a book about the dark misdeeds of her

family

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SYD: And she's on House of hammer exposing the secrets of the Hammer

family OLIVIA: she comes out and puts everything out there SYD: and I

believe her brother Michael who

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SYD: Who will be talking about in this episode actually reached out to

 

her

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OLIVIA: During all of this coming out

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SYD: Stick around for that OLIVIA: Yeah... not the best. SYD: Let's

start off talking about Michael. Michael went to University of San

Diego

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OLIVIA: In the same abusive household that we were talking about last

time when we were talking more about Julian- Casey and Michael's

father- there was a lot of violence a lot of

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OLIVIA: Really bad stuff at Julian did Michael was older than Casey

SYD: Michael was living with Julian while Casey was living with her

mother

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OLIVIA: After the divorce, Michael stayed with Julian, so he was

really

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OLIVIA: Just surrounded with all of that energy and all of that like

that that was a precedent for like this is what your life can be you

can just be this guy

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SYD: And Michael kind of started following in his Father's Footsteps

OLIVIA: absolutely

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SYD: He, you know, was surrounded by constant parties so he started

throwing constant parties.

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OLIVIA: Like famous party boy photos of orgies like his father he had

all of these different things that just directly mirrored what Julian

was doing

 

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OLIVIA: He was just copying and pasting and I feel like with each

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OLIVIA: Generation they get a little bit more careless when they're

being

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OLIVIA: Insane SYD: They're repeatedly taught that they can get away

with things OLIVIA: exactly SYD: and so they become a little bit more

Reckless each time.

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OLIVIA: Armand saw that and was like oh no

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OLIVIA: This is going to ruin our name if Michael goes off the deep

end SYD: but the only way that Michael was kind of different than

Julian is Julian was a little less concerned I think with staying in

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SYD: His father's good graces OLIVIA: absolutely SYD: Michael was

super concerned with being Armand's favorite. Why do you think that

would be? OLIVIA: Um, I don't know.

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OLIVIA: Might be because Armand would always say he's a billionaire

SYD: And would always say he would cut anybody off who disobeys him.

OLIVIA: And also hates his own son Julian,

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OLIVIA: who Michael also hates. So why not just step right in front.

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OLIVIA: Julian and Michael, Father and Son, hated each other. Like

would always fight. They tried to kill eachother at a party and the

cops broke them up and let them both drunk drive home. Like crazy

stuff.

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SYD: But if Michael could get ahead of Julian in Armand's will OLIVIA:

Oh absolutely he would go for it. SYD: Then he [Michael] would make a

bunch of money.

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SYD: At some point, he [Michael] was like I need to show a version of

myself to my grandfather that's going to get me higher in the will

OLIVIA: exactly

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OLIVIA: At a certain point when Michael was in college, Armand told

him: I'm going to cut you off entirely unless you clean up and do a

essentially everything you're doing but just more private so basically

Michael you know

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OLIVIA: He gets a haircut he starts looking a little bit more the

party

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SYD: And this makes his grandfather very happy. OLIVIA: Oh absolutely

and it's not like he actually cleans up and starts to be a better guy.

He's doing all the same horrible stuff but he's

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SYD: A little bit more private OLIVIA: exactly exactly SYD: So Michael

was bringing home a different girl every week and then one day he

takes a flight

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OLIVIA: As he goes and does it, he is absolutely trashed he is

blackout drunk he is hammered Michael Hammer is hammered

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SYD: He's in first class and he meets this woman Dru. D-R-U. Cool way

of spelling Drew. She comes from money also.

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OLIVIA: She comes from a rich family in Oklahoma.

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OLIVIA: And she comes from an unbelievably

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OLIVIA: Religious

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OLIVIA: Christian Rich family in Oklahoma she meets Michael on this

plane to sit next to each other and he is literally blackout drunk

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SYD: Before the end of the flight, she's thinking to herself, I'm

going to marry this man OLIVIA: she said before the plane landed she

had made up her mind that she wanted to marry this man SYD: so crazy

cuz anytime I've ever met a guy

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SYD: who was super drunk on a plane I've always thought maybe I should

stay away from him

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OLIVIA: How do you decide to marry someone that you've never met

sober. That's a crazy one.

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SYD: So Michael introduces Dru to his family and the family is like

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OLIVIA: Like actually hold up

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OLIVIA: This is a good look for you SYD: which is so funny cuz Armand

is Jewish OLIVIA: Jewish but he seems like it doesn't matter all of

these things

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OLIVIA: To Armand it's not about the fact

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OLIVIA: That she is a Christian girl is the fact that she looks like

 

she would be a wholesome

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OLIVIA: A good wife imagine SYD: It doesn't matter what the religion

is. It just matters she's religious. Which is a good wholesome image.

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SYD: So he's like you should 100% stay with this girl and he thinks

Dru can change his grandson which is the silliest thing I've ever

heard

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OLIVIA: Oh boy oh boy oh boy. SYD: To to him, he's like this is going

to be a great look and there you go. They get engaged and they're

going to go get married.

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SYD: I mean Michael is hanging out with other people going to parties

like with women OLIVIA: And people are like, "Where's Dru? Are you

guys still together?" And he's like, "Yeah she just couldn't come

tonight."

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SYD: He's still being the Michael we've all come to know.

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OLIVIA: And then they have a son.

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SYD: They do. They have two kids. OLIVIA: What's the deal with these

kids? What happened to them? SYD: Well one of them is Armie Hammer.

OLIVIA: Oh fuck me.

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SYD: So they have two kids, one of them being Armie Hammer, and they

go to the Cayman Islands.

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SYD: I only know about the Cayman Islands for one thing- like an

offshore bank account

 

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SYD: I have never heard of like a travel commercial for the Cayman

Islands other than people being like, "Oh yeah, that's where the

offshore bank accounts go."

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OLIVIA: So yeah. Raised Armie Hammer in the Cayman Islands for the

first bunch of years of his life.

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SYD: And then they come back to Los Angeles and Armie is like, "I'm

going to be an actor."

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OLIVIA: Armie's Aunt tells us, she was in House of Hammer,

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OLIVIA: And she says that when they were all at a family gathering and

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OLIVIA: Michael just came up to her and kicked her in the shin and

left SYD: perfect

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OLIVIA: Little red flag of just like so even as a kid you had some

sort of dysregulated emotions but Casey couldn't say anything because

you don't say anything about the boys in the Hammer family.

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OLIVIA: Especially not the one that's literally named after Armand.

That's another thing- that Michael also went above and beyond to...

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OLIVIA: I want to say seduce Armand. But like in a way. SYD: He's

brown nosing him. OLIVIA: Yeah to brown nose him. I'm sure Armand

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OLIVIA: Fucken loved that, so this is what's crazy so

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OLIVIA: Armand right, as we've said a bunch of times in this podcast.

Armand dies. As we all do. SYD: Spoiler alert. OLIVIA: Spoiler alert.

SYD: We all die. OLIVIA: Armand dies.

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OLIVIA: Everyone in the family, of course, is going like what's going

to happen. SYD: What's going to happen to this billionaire's wealth.

OLIVIA: We all played by his rules. What's going to happen now that

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OLIVIA: he died. Where is it going to go? Who's it going to? So when

the will is being read

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OLIVIA: Casey Hammer: Michael's sister,

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OLIVIA: Julian's daughter, and Armand's granddaughter,

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OLIVIA: Gets $250,000

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SYD: Julian gets $500,000 and then 40 million dollars goes to Michael

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OLIVIA: How did that happen? SYD: well I can tell you how he named his

son after him. If he took over and became the son that he never had,

then you became like the favorite

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OLIVIA: Absolutely. SYD: He did the business. He did all the stuff

that Armand really wanted. OLIVIA: And also, everyone is going, "Well

that seems really one-sided that Michael is getting

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OLIVIA: so much money. He gets the entire estate. He gets the Rolls

Royce. He gets everything." SYD: Dru was also written into the will.

OLIVIA: And when was that will written?

 

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SYD: 40 days before he died. OLIVIA: Oh so he had an original will and

then they rewrote it 40 days before he died. With Dru. And Michael.

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SYD: The most recent version of the will was like extremely close to

his death.

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OLIVIA: Additional behind-the-scenes stuff happened too that you like

will just never ever ever know. SYD: Michael and Dru, the second that

Armand is dead, are in the house looting his things.

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OLIVIA: He's dead- in the house- and they are taking tapestries to the

car and a bunch of his stuff. Which is crazy.

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SYD: It's all about the stuff and so Michael and Drew put a bunch of

this money toward Evangelical causes OLIVIA: because another crazy

crazy crazy crazy thing about this is that

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OLIVIA: At Armand's

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OLIVIA: funeral- and Armand is Jewish. Everyone knows it. SYD: There

are a lot of rabbis there. Famous rabbis at the funeral. OLIVIA: Dru's

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OLIVIA: Evangelical Christian father stands up in the middle of the

funeral

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OLIVIA: By the way Armand actually renounce Judaism and accepted Jesus

Christ and became a born-again Christian SYD AND OLIVIA TOGETHER: on

his Deathbed

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OLIVIA: Now

 

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SYD: I would say

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OLIVIA: Do we think he did? Or do you think they lied? SYD: I don't

think he did. OLIVIA: I don't think he did. I think they converted him

after death.

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SYD: Here's what I would say. If I were dying. My last thought

wouldn't be, "Should I change my religion?"

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SYD: I would be like, "Oh f*** there were so many things I didn't get

to eat." OLIVIA: I would be like, "S*** I'm dying."

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OLIVIA: I wouldn't be like wait wait wait wait wait I have a really

specific change I want to do. So they say that he [Armand] converted

to Evangelical Christian faith

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OLIVIA: And therefore we are investing all of his money into

Evangelical Christian causes like he would have wanted.

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OLIVIA: Obviously because he was a Christian during the last second of

his life SYD: and you know what one of those beautiful Evangelical

Christian causes

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SYD: It's a sex throne. OLIVIA: Oh fuck. SYD: So, yeah, Michael had a

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SYD: sex throne. OLIVIA: So okay here's my question, right, what the

f*** is a sex throne.

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SYD: So there was like a hook... OLIVIA: The way they described it in

 

House of Hammer, it was seven feet tall, there was a hole in the seat

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SYD: Okay I don't know if I'm naive but I don't know what that's for.

OLIVIA: Is it for poopies?

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OLIVIA: Why would you get a hole in the bottom of your seat? SYD: It

reminds me of the shape of a a toilet. OLIVIA: It's like a toilet.

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OLIVIA: And then there's a cage under. Is that to poop on people in

the cage? I don't want it be. SYD: Unless it's consentual. OLIVIA:

Unless they love it. But I don't think

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OLIVIA: Knowing this family that anything ever is [consentual]. I

don't think anything is consentual in this family.

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SYD: Here's the thing. I don't picture Dru being behind this. OLIVIA:

I mean I don't know either Drew is like a really specific breed and

just like covers her ears or doesn't know anything.

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SYD: I can't imagine Dru being like, "Hell yeah Michael sex grown I

love it," just a going along with everything we know about her people

use religion to cover up dark stuff and then they just pretend

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OLIVIA: Maybe she's into it

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OLIVIA: I guess my question is what

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OLIVIA: is the hook for?

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SYD: I don't know. I don't know what the hook was for, but I don't

 

like it. But here's the thing I don't like the most. You know, you

have your sex throne, you have your hook. OLIVIA: You have your sex

throne, your hook. You have your toilet seat.

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SYD: The 7ft thing. But you know what you don't have to have is your

family's name on it.

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OLIVIA: He has his families' name on it? SYD: Yeah the insignia.

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OLIVIA: The Hammer family crest? SYD: Yeah so on the sex throne was

the Hammer family crest and here's what I have to say about that. That

would only remind me of my grandfather during se.

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OLIVIA: How could you how could you look at a family crest while

you're having sex?

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illness in which you see women as objects for you to be

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SYD: using and conquering sexually? OLIVIA: Do you like Thrones? SYD:

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SYD: That's right no sex is ever complete without a constant reminder

 

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SYD: It's awesome to have

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SYD: Sexual items that remind you of your family members cuz

apparently that's what Michael Hammer loved. OLIVIA: Oh he loved it.

And the other couple of crazy things about it is that he

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OLIVIA: Kept it in the Armand Hammer Foundation headquarters

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OLIVIA: And when people obviously asked him SYD: Oh my God it's a gag

gift OLIVIA: It's just a gag gift. SYD: You know when you go to White

Elephant and someone opens the seven foot tall sex throne.

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OLIVIA: We are such gag gift people. I will always appreciate a gag

gift. But no one has ever

 

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OLIVIA: Made a custom 7 ft tall, caged, hooked,

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OLIVIA: Family Insignia imprinted

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OLIVIA: Sex throne for someone as a gag- in general.

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OLIVIA: That's something that someone messed up does and then people

like us laugh at it. Instead of someone doing it on purpose to make

that guy laugh.

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SYD: It's like having fuzzy sexul handcuff that only open when you

explain a cherished childhood memory. OLIVIA: It's like having the

wall paper of your sex dungeon just be your family tree.

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OLIVIA: It's so weird. SYD: It's perfect absolutely perfect. A sex

swing made out of paper mache yearbook photos of your sibling.

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SYD: Michael, if you're listening to this if you want to explain to us

what the deal is with the sex throne. Listen. I'm happy to know.

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OLIVIA: I would love to know how that fits into like the whole

Christian Vibe you guys but this all makes kind of sense for

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OLIVIA: the guy who raised Armie Hammer. They get in fights too.

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OLIVIA: They got in a fight in the Cayman Islands.

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OLIVIA: Like during the pandemic and it was news worthy. SYD: Armie

 

and Michael you know

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SYD: Outwardly hated each other still probably do and even when

Courtney talks in the documentary and talks about going to dinner and

meeting Dru for the first time

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OLIVIA: You just glaze over that for a second but then you go back and

you watch it and you're like, "Wait, what did they just say?" SYD: She

says that Armie is talking about all these things that are terrible

about his father.

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SYD: Dru saying you need to have more empathy for him because things

that happened during his childhood and Courtney didn't feel totally

comfortable sharing what she said

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SYD: I mean it was stuff that was said in front of this girl who's

like a new girlfriend

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SYD: You know it's like family secrets that are just kind of

recklessly coming out yeah in front of people who don't necessarily

need to be hearing them. OLIVIA: I mean someone that like if you're

trying

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OLIVIA: to protect your family's name, then you shouldn't be telling

traumatizing thing that happened to Michael when he was a kid to a

person you just met.

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SYD: Armand was so so clear about trying to keep the family name like

everybody loves the Hammers.

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SYD: The Hammers are philanthropists. But it's so interesting

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SYD: Now it's

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SYD: It's become really easy to see right through it OLIVIA: With the

whole cycle of abuse. Looking at how are men treated. How Armand

treated Julian. How Julian treated Michael.

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OLIVIA: How Michael treated Armie. Now how Armie treats everybody.

SYD: The cycle of abuse that doesn't even end at like sexual partners.

OLIVIA: No, abusive people don't just abuse women or just abuse their

romantic or sexual partners. .

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SYD: Sure. I think Armie Hammer even had co-workers who had come

forward and shared experiences with him too. I think they

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Didn't give their Identity or exactly how he's connected Armie yeah

but

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SYD: The Hammer Dynasty has consistently hurt their own image with

corruption and debauchery and all this stuff

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SYD: The question now

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SYD: Is will Armie Hammer

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SYD: Ever face

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SYD: Real consequences legal consequences for what he did.

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SYD: Or will he try to rehab his image and will people believe it.

 

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OLIVIA: I mean cuz he went to rehab. Couldn't tell you what it would

have been for. SYD: Yeah so Armie Hammer went to rehab when more and

more women started coming forward

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SYD: Like I was assaulted by Armie Hammer I had really bad experience

with him. He very publicly went to rehab but it's not clear what he

went to rehab for.

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OLIVIA: You can't get rehabilitated from being a sociopath. SYD: I

don't think you can. But I would like to know what he went for

specifically.

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OLIVIA: Then they did the whole thing where they were like, "He's got

a new girl, and she changed him." And it's like oh boy oh boy boy.

SYD: Oh no. OLIVIA: I mean first off, that's like what Armand wanted

Dru to be.

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SYD: History just repeats itself. OLIVIA: It is not a thing that

happens. You cannot change people. SYD: It's interesting that the

Hammer family is using the same ploys to try to change the Public

Image.

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OLIVIA: It's so interesting how with

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OLIVIA: You know

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OLIVIA: Armand who had all the controlling power with him. Armand is

gone and with Julian gone.

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OLIVIA: Michael,

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OLIVIA: Casey, and Armie are the only real

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OLIVIA: Public figures

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OLIVIA: From the whole story

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OLIVIA: That are like

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OLIVIA: Alive SYD: and Michael is trying to silence OLIVIA: yes yes

SYD: Casey OLIVIA: oh my god when she came out and started

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OLIVIA: Telling all of this stuff

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OLIVIA: You know she got a text from a friend who is like hey watch

out watch your back. SYD: Make sure you're not being followed. OLIVIA:

Don't put your address on anything. SYD: Don't share your location.

OLIVIA: If you see the same

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Same stranger's face twice, run. Scariest shit I've ever heard. But

yeah. I mean holy shit.

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SYD: Because Michael then reached out to Casey and I think it's like

him being like I will

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SYD: Take legal action if you continue to speak about our family and

he keeps saying if you keep continue to spread the lies.

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OLIVIA: Yeah the hurtful lies. Which is what all manipulators say.

 

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SYD: Right. So again not taking accountability. OLIVIA: Not at all.

Just gaslighting her. Making her seem crazy. Making it seem like she

made it all up. In what world would she have anything to gain.

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SYD: Yeah she wouldn't necessarily benefit from it. OLIVIA: There

wouldn't be a single benefit. SYD: And she is kind of having to relive

this trauma

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SYD: to tell the story and I think part of it is for her to be a sign

to people of hey this kind of stuff happens and here are ways that you

can spot it.

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OLIVIA: The docu-series like

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OLIVIA: In her day growing up

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OLIVIA: Abuse happened

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OLIVIA: And you had to be quiet about it like the whole cultural thing

about it like being very quiet don't share that and now we've hit a

point in society where we're seeing that we actually

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OLIVIA: be like actually you know what fuck what that person did.

Because it's true. No one should be

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OLIVIA: Allowed to

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OLIVIA: Abuse so many people without being held accountable.

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SYD: And unfortunately so many of the victims are given this like

backlash that is so undeserved. But these people are really strong.

The people who are coming forward are really

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SYD:strong and even in House of hammer they showed Casey meeting

Courtney a really really touching moment

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SYD: Of her being able to say I'm here for you

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SYD: Like I didn't provide any sort of like sollace.

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OLIVIA: What a trip like to sit down and be like we were both

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OLIVIA: just abused by the same family but just like different

generations. That's got to be such a trip. I'm so glad that they got

to meet because

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OLIVIA: What they're saying is super f****** important if you haven't

watched House of Hammer on Discovery plus crazy crazy

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OLIVIA: Crazy story and I think it's still continuing will find out

what happens to Armie Hammer in the future but you know just don't

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OLIVIA: Don't let

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OLIVIA: People slip under the radar once they've done some really loud

bad stuff like that hold people accountable don't don't fall for the

rehab trick and all that jazz it's not

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OLIVIA: It's just PR. SYD: Thank you for listening to Dark Dynasty's

this concludes our episodes about the Hammer family but if you stay

tuned we'll talk

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SYD: We'll talk about more famous families and how money, power,

insecurities, and lies can destroy generation after generation. I've

been Syd. OLIVIA: I've been Olivia.

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SYD: Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.