Star actor Armie Hammer’s leaked private DMs with multiple women show the world discovered what it really means to be a member of the Hammer Family dynasty.
Star actor Armie Hammer’s leaked private DMs with multiple women show the world discovered what it really means to be a member of the Hammer Family dynasty. In this episode Syd and Olivia go through the rise and fall of Armie Hammer, and guess what? When one bad apple falls, you know it doesn’t fall far from the tree. And the further we go up the tree, the darker it gets: Lies, money-laundering, debauchery, cannibalism, and…wait, cannibalism? How did we get here? Oh right, we’re covering that in the next 3 episodes.
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SYD 0:00
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OLIVIA 0:15
Welcome to Dark Dynasties.
SYD 0:22
This is a podcast where we focus on different rich and powerful
families who have ultimately expose themselves to be corrupt messed
up, and well, you know, very dark.
OLIVIA 0:31
This episode we will be talking about an especially dark famous
family, the hammer dynasty. That's right Hammer as an Army hammer. Oh,
yeah, as
SYD 0:40
in the Hammer Museum. And unfortunately, a lot more. We all know about
the
OLIVIA 0:44
crazy army hammer cannibalism scandal in the last couple years. So
SYD 0:47
I guess the question is, how did we get here? Well, the answer is
complicated and intriguing. And we'll be covering it over the next
four episodes.
OLIVIA 0:56
I'm Olivia DiLaurentis.
SYD 0:58
And
I'm Sid Heller,
OLIVIA 0:58
and this is Dark Dynasties.
So Armie Hammer famous actor. Yeah.
SYD 1:08
If you don't know him, if you've seen call me by your name. It's the
one that's not Timothy Chalemet. Yeah,
OLIVIA 1:14
it's the taller little older one who everyone was just like, Oh, hot.
Damn, we love this guy. The second that movie came out. Yeah.
SYD 1:22
Even before that there was the social network. And everybody was like,
What are these twins?
OLIVIA 1:26
They're like,
damn, this one rich guy plays to rich twins. Yeah.
SYD 1:29
And turns out he actually is pretty rich. Yeah. comes from a very
wealthy family.
OLIVIA 1:34
One
of the reasons he actually got cast in The Social Network was the
director was like, Oh, he has a really good pedigree. Like he's born
from a billionaire family, just like these twins, right? He knows how
to like be a little rich boy. Yeah.
SYD 1:47
And he comes from this very large family. And they have owned a bunch
of different things. His great grandfather was an oil tycoon.
OLIVIA 1:55
And his great grandfather, who he is named after is named I shit you
not. Armand Hammer. Yes.
SYD 2:02
And his father was a founder of the American Communist Party. Oh,
yeah.
OLIVIA 2:07
His father Julius hammer, who we only really know this fact about was
in Russia, he was a big communist party guy, he helped found the
American Communist Party. And then he funneled a bunch of money to the
communist from America and like secrets and stuff in Armand, the oil
tycoon grandfather of Armie Hammer, yeah, was like a spy for the
Russians. Until he like realized, you know what, I'm actually gonna
pretend to be American.
SYD 2:36
It's wild. But Armand Hammer was basically named Armand Hammer because
on the communist flag, yeah, there's the arm and the hammer, an arm
and a hammer. So really write our head around that. Yeah, it really
is. It's a weird thing to have a parent name their kid after something
they like or believe in your kids Stars and Stripes. Yeah, I'm pretty
glad my parents didn't just name me. Something. They were like, that's
pretty fun. Yeah. Because I could have been named like the Eagles
Earth Wind and Fire. And that was
OLIVIA 3:06
and then all of your ancestors from that point on are named like Earth
Wind and Fire two or three windy and
SYD 3:11
fire. Yeah, so basically Armie Hammer gets super famous. Yeah, but he
is like, this guy is so hot. So hot ones like he's so hot Movie Star
Ranch. He's hot. He's rich. He plays that part. Really? Well. Yeah.
And the star. He's married. And he has kids and he seems like this
perfect. He has this perfect movie star life
cut to a whole bunch
OLIVIA 3:42
of years later. Yeah, all of these DMS start getting leaked. Yeah, you
probably
SYD 3:47
remember this from like, 2020. Yeah, we're all stuck inside and we
find out oh, look, here's the new thing. We're all going to focus on
its army hammer is a cannibal.
OLIVIA 3:57
And the craziest thing about the whole army hammers a cannibal social
media blow up? Is that Yes, he is like I'm 100% accountable. I said
that he said it. He's like I want to eat your rib. He was texting
girls that he either knew or did not know yet. Grande was texting them
a lot of very sexually explicit violent graphic. Yeah, thing, but it
would be fine if the women were like hell yeah. That's the thing is
when it when it first came out, it was interesting because it was
like, okay, is this just kink? Or is this something really bad?
Because he's texting people stuff like, you know, oh, I would love for
you to get your rib removed. So I can grill it and eat it,
SYD 4:37
which is let me tell you interesting.
OLIVIA 4:39
I will say that if someone asked that of me, I would say no, I would
like to keep all of my ribs and probably not talk to you again. But at
the same time, that's just me as an individual,
SYD 4:48
but at the same time if there's a person out there who's like, yeah,
my dream Yeah. Is to have you eat my rib.
OLIVIA 4:56
If someone's like, God, it is my biggest king for a guy to Want to eat
me
SYD 5:01
then and just kink go for it. The issue was that he was saying this to
people who were like, actually, that's not for me. He was like, I'm
going to get you really close to me so that we become really
infatuated with each other and so they rush Rosler depend on and then
I'm going to trick you into doing
OLIVIA 5:18
Yeah, that's just abuse that's just manipulation. So we'll get into
that at a certain point in this episode, we're going to really break
down what's kink and what's just literally not okay on any level
SYD 5:33
basically in House of hammer in this Docu series, they are talking to
a woman named Courtney. Right, right. Courtney talks about meaning
Armie Hammer bar, he found her on Instagram. Yep, they started
chatting. It was, you know, very,
OLIVIA 5:51
she was like, oh, you know, she was intrigued because it was, you
know, the pandemic star is like, and yeah, it's movie stars following
me. And he seems like a goofy, disarming guy. And they're talking a
lot about her previous toxic relationship. He's
SYD 6:03
sharing a lot of intimate details, they're becoming really close
really fast.
OLIVIA 6:07
Now, I think a good thing to do when talking about this is to do
little red flag alerts, and flags. If you the listener, or anyone in
your life is in any type of a situation similar to any of this. I
think the good thing about going over crimes like this is to just
like, bring up hey, this is a red flag. So if you see it in your life,
just watch out for it because it could go badly. Yeah, if someone
SYD 6:31
is like, I'm telling you a bunch of things to get you very close to me
marrying fast, I would say maybe keep an eye out.
OLIVIA 6:37
That is of course called love bombing. You know, he opened up and said
all this crazy stuff that was very vulnerable, and then got her to be
vulnerable via that. And it's very calculated. Basically,
SYD 6:51
Courtney starts trusting this guy and any natural relationship, you
share things with each other, you start trusting each other. The
problem is that he was kind of using it as a tactic to get something
he wanted that he knew she probably didn't necessarily want.
OLIVIA 7:05
There was a point where they had never met in person besides the first
time they met at the bar, and she was in the Hamptons with her
friends. Yeah.
SYD 7:11
And he was upset with her that she wouldn't be home when he was
passing through her
OLIVIA 7:16
chalice. Yeah. And so he sent her like pictures of her apartment and
was like I am. You can't stop me.
SYD 7:23
I would say this part is strange. I would like to pin
OLIVIA 7:26
this as a red flag, red flag.
SYD 7:30
If somebody I had never met in person sent me photos of the outside of
my home, just
OLIVIA 7:34
like dating hack. Don't send the outside of someone's home to them as
a photo.
SYD 7:40
Yeah, I would say it's not even that cute. It's not cute. It's not
charming. In fact, in the documentary when they show the screenshots,
he sends a picture. She says, all caps leave now leave now. Yeah.
Which I would say is not a welcoming bit of concern.
OLIVIA 7:58
And then he Oh my God, and then he left her a nasty note. That
SYD 8:02
was like, I'm gonna bite the fuck out of you.
OLIVIA 8:04
Yeah. And then signed it. How reckless. That's the thing. We'll get
into it later in the podcast. But this whole family act so recklessly
SYD 8:13
it's they think they're above the law. You can't get caught and
whatever. But it's like,
OLIVIA 8:17
I don't know. I don't know if that's a good idea. It's clearly not
based on what we all know now.
SYD 8:23
And something she mentions in the Docu series is she says that like
when she told that story to her friends when she talked about her
getting to know army with her friends, she would leave that part out.
OLIVIA 8:33
Yeah, the I'm gonna bite the fuck out of you note and the pictures of
her place she found out
SYD 8:37
I think she knew on some level that that's not really great. Another
little
OLIVIA 8:41
red flag moment there is if you are in something with anyone and you
feel like there's parts of the relationship you can't or don't want it
not like, because it's sexual, but because you are like, Oh, no, I
don't know if this is healthier, right? Like there's, I get a little
bit of fight or flight when this person does this thing that may be
questionable. And I shouldn't tell my friends because they would be
like, break up with him. Yeah, that is when you tell your friends.
SYD 9:04
Yeah. Because your friend is gonna say like, Hey, I have your best
interests in mind. And that's not good for you. Maybe you should
listen to them.
OLIVIA 9:09
Your friends care if you live or die strangers on the internet may not
I would call that 100% True. Courtney story is really crazy, because
eventually they did end up meeting and going on a road trip together.
And
SYD 9:21
I would like to say to you know, we mentioned earlier Armie Hammer was
married at some point they split we're not totally sure in the
timeline, like where they split out. But regardless, he
OLIVIA 9:30
didn't he was telling the women that he was talking to you know, oh,
we've been separated for two years. We live in different cities.
Right.
SYD 9:36
So Courtney and or may decide they're going to go on a road trip.
They're going to hang out for the first time on a road trip. Yeah.
Dating hack, maybe just for for the listener just as a piece of
advice. First in person day shouldn't be a road trip, meet at coffee.
Go to a nice place where a lot of you belong. And
OLIVIA 9:57
the whole time she's going like this isn't like me. This isn't like I
normally wouldn't do this. And it's like you can get manipulated and
tucked into doing things where you're like, Yeah, I guess I'll just go
to the desert with this stranger for three weeks. And also,
SYD 10:09
I think there's a fine line between a fairy tale and a nightmare. Oh,
yeah.
OLIVIA 10:13
Put that on a t shirt.
SYD 10:14
We grow up thinking like, yeah, if somebody you know, shows up where I
am, yeah, unannounced. That's romantic. Yeah, is it? No, not really.
No, it's not. But it's hard to tell. Because you grow up thinking
like, that's really romantic. They're holding a boombox outside my
window. And it's like, Did you invite them say,
OLIVIA 10:32
Yeah, did they? Are they sending you a picture of the exterior of your
apartment? Yeah, no, no, it's really interesting. And I feel like, so
often, you've said this before, which I think is really smart. You
know, like adrenaline and the feeling of fear or nervousness, you can.
SYD 10:46
It mimics the feeling of having a crush. Yeah. The feeling of
excitement and crushing on someone. Yeah. So sometimes you don't know
if you're nervous because someone's bad. Or if you're nervous, because
you have butterflies. Exactly. There's a distinction
OLIVIA 10:57
unless, you know, like, specifically what to look for. It's so easy to
mix those two. Yeah. So,
SYD 11:01
you know, Courtney is thinking this big movie star wants to take me on
a road trip. He was only interested in me. He's constantly calling me
and texting me. Oh, yeah. And that's
OLIVIA 11:10
the other thing. He's texting or blowing her phone up 1000 times a day
and a red flag. Yeah. And
SYD 11:14
so it's like, he's obviously not seeing anyone else. He's so invested
in me. And so of course, she's like, flattered. Because you know,
anyone would be it makes sense to be flattered.
OLIVIA 11:24
Yeah. And it's also like, during the pandemic, during this time of
like, well, the world's crazy right now. So you know, might as well
like live life while it's happening. And I think it's a human survival
instinct totally, to not assume the worst. Sure, if someone does
something that's just like a little bit weird. Like, for example,
leaving you a note at your apartment that says, I'm gonna bite the
fuck out of you. But they're doing a whole bunch of other things that
you're like, Oh, well, this is so great. There's a part of your brain
instinctively in order to survive. It's like, Well, ah,
SYD 11:50
maybe they didn't mean that. Sure. Or maybe it meant something else.
Yeah, maybe they took it metaphorically, basically, they go on this
road trip. You know, they're having this great time they go to this
three week long road trip, they are projecting movies on the screen in
the backyard. They're having like, it's like a daydream
OLIVIA 12:06
They're with each other all the time. All the time. They're loving it.
SYD 12:09
He's super PDA, really giving her a lot of affection, a lot of
compliments. And she's like, this is exactly what I want.
OLIVIA 12:16
And the crazy thing is in House of Hammer, you see all of her
Snapchats from the time like you see her Snapchat stories that she
took, like, their whole vacation, which is crazy.
SYD 12:26
It's wild. So they go to the hardware store, and he wants rope,
because he is interested in Shabari. Yeah, if you don't know what
Shabari is, it's a Japanese rope tying art form. Yeah, sometimes it's
sexual. And sometimes it's not.
OLIVIA 12:40
Yeah, yeah. Don't people like use it to relax? Sometimes, like, just
hang in
SYD 12:44
there? I know. There are people who use it to relax sometimes when
you're all tied up. Yeah, actually feel like you can let go. It's kind
of an interesting, I'm loving that for the people who like, yeah, and
that's the thing is if you're into it, hell yeah.
OLIVIA 12:55
Yeah. That's the thing. Let's let's let's really define this about
Shabari. And all kink is that if you were into it, and everything is
safe, and we're repeatedly checking in on the consent of all partners,
yeah, hell yeah, you do whatever the heck you want. The difference
here
SYD 13:08
is that Courtney had been like, oh, I don't know that. That's my
thing.
OLIVIA 13:12
Yeah. And he was like, Well, it's my thing. Yeah. And he
SYD 13:15
was like, I've never done this on a person. I've only ever done it on
mannequins.
OLIVIA 13:18
I
don't believe him.
SYD 13:19
I don't I don't believe him. But I'm going to do this on you. And it's
going to be great. And she's going I'm not feeling well. And I feel
like no, I don't like that. I don't know. You know, a lot of signs of
like, that's maybe not for
her. That's not her thing.
OLIVIA 13:31
She's saying no, without directly saying the word no. Which I will say
it counts is No, I totally in person to say I don't feel well, that's
not a person I would want to do things with saying Not right now. I
don't feel well, I'm not sure. I think things all mean No, when
SYD 13:45
I think about it, it's like if I was with a partner, and we were about
to engage in a sexual situation, right. And they especially when you
liked more than them.
Yeah. And they said I don't feel good. I would be like, oh, now I'm
not turned on anymore. No, I'd be turned off that makes me feel like
oh, we don't both like this. I don't want to be doing it. So just
something to think about. So basically they go to the hardware store.
There are no ropes there. She feels really relieved and they leave
OLIVIA 14:10
and we're just going to go to a little segment cuz I feel like this is
a time for this probably. Absolutely. This is a segment called Kink
SYD 14:27
or Not Okay.
OLIVIA 14:33
You know, we can go through various scenarios here. Basically Armie
Hammer jammed a lot of women a lot of things that someone could argue
with, that's just kink.
SYD 14:41
Yeah,
he said a lot of things like I want you to be my slave. It'd be my pet
and here's the thing if somebody's like, hell yes, I want to be a
slave. I want to be a pet. That's amazing.
OLIVIA 14:49
Yeah, that's like absolutely whatever.
SYD 14:51
but if somebody is like, Oh, that's not my thing, then it's time for
a no
OLIVIA 14:54
yeah. Or if someone just responds with no response. Then let's leave
it. Let's see. Take it back. Yeah.
SYD 15:00
Here's some examples. We're gonna read them to each other and then the
other person will answer is that kink or
is that not okay?
OLIVIA 15:07
Yeah.
SYD 15:07
So here we go.
OLIVIA 15:08
Okay, yeah, go ahead.
SYD 15:09
Over a pumpkin spice latte. Jennifer tells Tyler she gets turned on by
blood play. Oh, coincidentally, Tyler is also into blood play. Oh,
wow. And agrees that they should try it. They talk about all their
boundaries a safe word and go over the emotional and medical risks.
days later they do sexual blood play within the confines of what they
previously discussed being comfortable with, during which they
continuously check to make sure the other person is still consenting
and enjoying the big blood play for them.
OLIVIA 15:40
Um, okay, I'm gonna guess that that's kink? Is that would be king. Oh
my god, I love it. Okay, perfect.
SYD 15:47
Yeah,
the diff- I think the the biggest thing about BDSM and all kink is
that every party is consenting. And everyone is constantly checking in
and being like, Are we cool with
this?
Then that's it.
OLIVIA 15:57
The kink and BDSM experts basically says that all of the BDSM
community like the saying is safe, sane, and consensual. Yes. And you
just have to like keep making sure everyone is safe and consenting and
everyone's all good. Yeah, I'm okay. Well, here's a different one kink
or not. Okay. Armie Hammer DMs, a young stranger who doesn't know
about BDSM that he wants to cook her and eat her?
SYD 16:22
I'm going to say it's not okay.
OLIVIA 16:24
Yes, that is not okay.
SYD 16:26
Oh, okay.
OLIVIA 16:27
Okay, so what makes that not okay, is that that's a stranger who
doesn't know what BDSM is and doesn't know you, doesn't consent to it.
There has been no boundaries stated.
SYD 16:36
It's fully unsolicited,
OLIVIA 16:37
fully unsolicited, and you just told her you want to cook her and eat
her. So that would fall into the category of not okay. How could we
make that okay?
SYD 16:46
well, they're messaging online. Yeah, things are getting a little
steamy. But they're attracted to each other. Absolutely. And let's say
Armie. Hammer says, Do you want to meet for coffee in public? And the
stranger says that would be lovely. Yeah, let's say they go and they
meet in public and everything is totally fine. And they're having a
lovely time.
OLIVIA 17:03
And
Armie Hammer doesn't have like a sociopathic personality and this
version of the story.
SYD 17:08
This is just an example of how it could be okay. Armie Hammer and our
stranger let's call them. Chris. Chris. Let's call them Chris. Chris
and Armie Hammer are hanging out at Starbucks. Chris says, You know
what your previous story reminds me of something so funny. I'm
actually interested in someone pretending to code community. Yeah,
that's like my biggest kick in and they're totally comfortable. And as
long as it's safe. And yeah, and Armie Hammer says how how funny.
Yeah, that is my biggest kink as well. Yeah, they say should we set a
date and time to try this out? And should we both agree on it
beforehand and set a safe word? Yeah. Chris says Absolutely. I'm
feeling that for us. Yeah. Armie Hammer says, I love that for us,
Chris. We're gonna check in with each other on the day of Yeah, and
make sure that we both feel good and happy about that
OLIVIA 17:57
the whole time. that would that would be okay, but just DMing like a
20 year old girl that you don't know and saying I want to cook you and
eat you a little bit different. That's gonna be that's that's a hard
line of not okay. And that
was Kink or Not Okay.
SYD 18:17
So basically, let's go back to coordinate
OLIVIA 18:19
Right, right. Right. So Courtney finished her first road trip. Got out
okay.
SYD 18:24
She got out okay. Courtney is thinking like, Okay, we've been together
for the past like, what three weeks? Yeah, we've been talking nonstop.
He's saying like, you're the only one for me all this stuff. She's
feeling really safe with him. Yeah. And then she sees photos right of
him with another woman of him with literally Rumor Willis. Right. Is
that That's Bruce Willis' daughter. Yeah. And so it's a photos
released together. Rumor Willis hope are okay. Rumor Willis, shout out
hope you're good. Hope you're okay. And Armie's, you know, putting his
hands around her. Everyone's like
OLIVIA 18:55
grabbing her leg in this like very possessive way. You can see it in
the photo.
SYD 18:59
Yeah, they're clearly on like some sort of date. Yeah. And she reached
out to him and it's like, what
the heck?
OLIVIA 19:05
Yeah. Like she's like you. You are clearly like, I know your body
language because I know you so well. Like I know that you have
something going on with Rumor Willis.
SYD 19:12
And it's frustrating because we've been talking nonstop you've made me
feel really comfortable and like I'm the only one for you.
OLIVIA 19:17
We just went to the desert for three weeks now.
SYD 19:19
And now I feel like I'm not whatever they meet up in a wherever Armie
is staying at the time. I think they said it's a pool house because
yeah, getting worse. So he's staying out. They meet up and they're
talking and she goes, I can't do this anymore. I don't want to be with
you. So like, let's not see each other anymore. And we're done. Yeah,
yeah, she leaves. He sends him a text about not wanting to be it to be
over. She's like, sorry, it's over. The next day he shows up at her
location where she's walking.
OLIVIA 19:47
Yeah,
she's walking with a friend. He shows up on a motorcycle and ladies
and gentlemen, let's just pin one more red flag here. Red flag.
SYD 19:55
I'm gonna go with a hard No,
OLIVIA 19:57
you can't just show up at someone's location. Question.
SYD 20:00
No, no, you
can't do that unannounced. No.
OLIVIA 20:03
She, you know, being overwhelmed by the tornado of it all is like that
must be romance,
SYD 20:09
right? I mean also kind of you're you're taught that when you're a kid
again, you are taught that's a romantic thing you are taught.
OLIVIA 20:16
If you're stalked that it means he likes you.
SYD 20:18
So basically he shows up, she takes him back, and they're all good
again. They want another road trip. This is their thing.
They go on road trips.
OLIVIA 20:25
Yeah, this is a bad road trip. Trigger warning for this road trip.
SYD 20:27
He shows her a movie on this road trip. Yeah, it's called The
Secretary. Yeah.
OLIVIA 20:34
And
it's Maggie Gyllenhaal.
SYD 20:35
Yeah, it's Maggie Gyllenhaal. And she is this guy's secretary. She's
being super obedient. She's doing it's like very, like BDSM vibes.
Like, yeah, she's doing a lot of stuff for him.
OLIVIA 20:46
Yeah, he's like, training her to be really like a subservient kind of
like, like, she's like, I am your desk, and I will do these really
hard things to prove it.
SYD 20:55
crawl to you. Yeah, all that and if you're into that great, yeah. But
he shows it to her being like, you shouldn't be into this, even though
she's like, I don't know if this is my thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so he
shows this to her. And she's like, Oh, no. Is this what you want?
Yeah. Do you want me to be the secretary? I'm gonna say he should have
just shown her the secretariat. Great movie. It's about a horse.
OLIVIA 21:19
You know what that that I think we're rewriting this history in a way
healthier. Just you watch the Secretariat, you go to coffee, talk
about being so much better day, you have a completely different
lineage that doesn't render you like oh, it incapable of empathy.
SYD 21:33
It's better. So basically, you know, she sees this movie, she's like,
Oh, I'm a little freaked out, because this is not what I signed up
for. Oh, no. They had a sexual encounter that she, she doesn't totally
let us in on it. Yeah, totally that which is valid.
OLIVIA 21:49
But she says that it's something that people are supposed to talk
about before they do. And they did not. And they did not. And she was
just like, absolutely hate did every part of it what
SYD 22:00
she said it's something she had never done before she felt degraded.
And that it was a situation he should not have been put in without
being asked if that's okay.
OLIVIA 22:10
Absolutely. I mean, as our as our all sexual situations.
SYD 22:14
Yeah. I mean, and again, another It's like another good thing of to
talk about is haftet. Yeah, if you're in the middle of a sexual
situation, and you consented to the first part, doesn't mean you're
consenting to every part after that.
OLIVIA 22:26
Exactly. And it's like, I think, people who are kind of abusers like
bank on that, like they bank on ripping another boundary away when
you're vulnerable. And when you're like, in a position where I mean,
that's literally what the sex therapist says of like, he puts her in a
position where she wants to make him happy. Yeah. And she's in a
vulnerable sexual state. And then during that, he goes like, Oh, how
about we don't do this boundary? How about we don't do this any kink
if it's, if both partners are consenting the whole time, and they're
both totally aware of what's happening, and they're both you know,
agreeing to it, whatever. But getting off on someone else being
genuinely afraid of you. Yeah. And trying to escape you but not being
able to. That's just like, cool. You have to go to the mental hospital
forever. Now.
SYD 23:05
Yeah, that's not okay. And that's a crime. No, that is a crime after
this experience coordinates not feeling good now, obviously. And he
says, Well, I want you to meet my mom.
OLIVIA 23:14
Oh, yeah. The classic thing that after you just absolutely make
someone's life a living nightmare. Sexually. You want him ship him
right to your mom.
SYD 23:23
Yeah, he goes,
I want you to meet my mom. And to her, she's like, Oh, okay, well,
then, you know, that sweet. So even though he did this other thing,
that really messed me up, meeting her, his mom's a big deal. And so he
really liked me. So it must be good.
OLIVIA 23:35
And also like, the way that Courtney's
brain is working in this situation is completely normal. Yeah. And
like, this is how it would like this is why manipulators manipulate so
that people think this way. And yeah, we'll go like, Oh, cool. Well,
he must have not meant that because he did this big grand gesture, and
it's like, in no way shape or form. Like she's even in the wrong for
thinking that she's just literally being manipulated.
SYD 23:59
Yeah, she's I mean, to her, she's thinking this just must be BDSM. And
it's okay.
OLIVIA 24:04
Yeah. And that's the other thing is he chose a bunch of women who
didn't know anything about BDSM. If he really wanted to do BDSM.
SYD 24:11
Yeah, he
would just he would take out partners who are familiar with that and
familiar with their own boundaries and know how to be like, Oh,
actually, this is where my line is,
OLIVIA 24:19
but because
those partners would actually probably be really good at setting
boundaries and knowing where their lines is. He doesn't want that he
wants to take advantage of someone who doesn't know how to stand up
for themselves in the BDSM world and like sexually, and he wants to
like it. That's just abuse. That's just what abuse is.
SYD 24:35
It's not good. So they go to dinner with Armie Hammer is Mom. Yeah,
apparently, you know, Courtney, Courtney was like, you know, his mom
was just like him. She's tall, she's beautiful. She's, you know,
really well spoken. She's got her shit together. And
she and
OLIVIA 24:53
his mom has named Drew by the way, we'll talk about her later on.
SYD 24:56
Yeah, and
apparently she's saying a lot of things that maybe Courtney You
shouldn't be in the room for.
OLIVIA 25:00
yeah apparently they went into like some deep diving family trauma
about some things that may or may not have happened to Armie Hammer's
dad Michael
SYD 25:09
Yeah Armie starts talking about a person how he doesn't respect his
dad who hates his dad and all this stuff and Courtney's like, I don't
think I should be here for them. So and Courtney and Armie had
previously talked about his dad and the long line of men he comes from
where he and
OLIVIA 25:26
he has said, my ancestors are all evil. He's like, I there's a lot of
evil in the men in my family,
SYD 25:31
she
talks about it on House of hammer and she says that he wore it like a
badge of honor. Yeah.
OLIVIA 25:35
Which is the same thing. He wanted her to do a while about bruises and
bite bite marks. That was like, I couldn't even talk that whole
sentence.
SYD 25:42
Yeah, she would endure it in sexual situations. She would have bite
marks and bruises. And he would tell her to wear them like a badge of
honor when she was like, this wasn't really what I wanted.
OLIVIA 25:52
Hmm.
You know what getting bitten bruised when you did not consent to it is
I'm gonna say
really bad.
SYD 25:57
Yeah, no, not so good. So days after this experience with armies, mom,
yeah, they break up.
OLIVIA 26:03
They break up and she just like moves on. And she's just like, Nope,
I'm done. I'm done with this guy. Yeah. Later on. Later on, Courtney
sees all of these things trending from I don't know if you guys
remember House of Effy house
SYD 26:18
House of Effy was an account. This woman Effy was posting screenshots
of her DMs between her and Armie Hammer and they were pretty crazy.
OLIVIA 26:29
They were the most probably some of the most crazy flagrant, like
screen grabs that were circulating the internet.
SYD 26:37
It was
things were and again, like a trigger warning. Anyone who has faced
sexual abuse or is uncomfortable with that kind of dialogue totally
makes sense. And this might not be appropriate. Yep. Effie was posting
screenshots of Armie Hammer saying that he had never felt so much
power as to when she was crying and screaming on the floor asking him
to like stop. And he was raping her at knifepoint
OLIVIA 27:06
for four hours, four hours. And in the DMS. She's writing back like,
SYD 27:09
I wasn't ready. And he said, or you know, for not being ready. You
took it like a champ. Yeah. Which is crazy. Oh, while it's the
response. Yeah. She was saying I didn't want that. I wasn't ready. We
didn't have a safe word.
OLIVIA 27:23
Yeah. And he and he goes like, Oh, I thought you mentioned earlier not
having a safe word.
SYD 27:27
And then he writes, haha, you know, you know, oh, my God. I have like,
that makes me so mad. No.
OLIVIA 27:33
I mean, like,
SYD 27:34
she basically she wasn't put in a place where she was comfortable, and
it's really violent. She also met him when she was 20. Or she they
started talking when she was 20.
OLIVIA 27:44
That's another huge thing of like, power dynamics and using your power
to try to manipulate like girls who were young.
SYD 27:53
Yep. So these screengrabs come out. He's insinuating that he enjoyed
the fact that it was not consensual. The thing he is saying is like,
it made me feel like a God made me feel very powerful. Yeah. So the
thing he's getting off on is not necessarily the king. Now, the thing
he's getting off on is the fact that she didn't want it to be happy.
Exactly. And so this account all the screenshots keep being reposted
by other accounts. We learn that Armie Hammer has a private Instagram,
a finsta if you will. Yeah, yeah. called El Destructo 86.
OLIVIA 28:27
Now,
going back to thinking you're above the law, yeah, why the fuck. I
mean, just don't mind.
SYD 28:34
Yeah, I would say
it doesn't make sense. Yeah. To post that you are doing things that
are illegal. Yeah. Online, whether it's on a finsta or not a finsta.
Doesn't make sense. No. So somebody leaked the finsta. Yeah, we see
the finsta that it's it's photos and videos of him, you know, doing
drugs while driving and drinking while driving. Having a woman in
lingerie like waiting for him on his bed while he's showing a room
tour of his hotel,
OLIVIA 29:00
taking a drug test and writing like oh, it's crazy that I passed this
drug test even though I did drugs time to see my kids. Yes. So he's
posting while
SYD 29:11
he's very public about the fact that he's not what people expect Yeah,
to his, like 18 followers on this. Which is a brave choice. Yeah.
OLIVIA 29:20
Because it's a reckless choice because when you think you are God, you
do things reckless. It's so reckless Yeah,
SYD 29:26
it's it's not smart. No, it's not so there's becomes more and more
proof that maybe this guy is not the guy we thought he was Hmm.
Courtney sees these posts from the Effie account. And she responds to
one of these accounts that reposted it saying like that's him that's
the way he talks. That's exactly how he talks
OLIVIA 29:46
He used all these words with me like he calls everyone in his kitten.
SYD 29:51
I'm glad it's finally coming out. Yeah, like justice needs to be
served kind of thing. And they go Can we repost that you said that and
she's like, I don't care anymore.
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SYD: Then
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SYD: Everyone is like oh my God Armie Hammer but everyone focuses on
the fact that Armie Hammer is a
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:26,000
SYD: Cannibal cuz there's this one message where he says I am 100% a
cannibal yeah OLIVIA: and then I was so scared even say that out loud
he says
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:35,000
SYD: Says that he's eaten a deer's heart while it was still alive so
that's not
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
OLIVIA: I have never done that actually never
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SYD: Eating a deer's heart while it was still alive. I never even ate
it while it was dead sure keeps coming out and Courtney
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OLIVIA: Other women also involved besides even like Iffy there's her
friends friends posts about her experience with Armie she says that he
was using
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:09,000
SYD: The phrase of BDSM is kind of like a smokescreen to actually just
hurt women she is really smart like her whole analysis of the thing is
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:16,000
OLIVIA: Super well-spoken she says that with her relationship with
Armie. SYD: it was the same thing, she wasn't told
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:26,000
SYD: what was going to happen before it happened she didn't give
consent all the time she was love bomb she only comes from with him
and then was kind of pushed her boundary yet pushed all the
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:35,000
SYD: All the time Was Bitten and bruised until to wear it like a badge
in the same way as Courtney OLIVIA: and Courtney and Paige ended up
talking which is the ultimate
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
OLIVIA: The ultimate
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:46,000
OLIVIA: Performance power if like a person has abused two people in
them
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
OLIVIA: Flies that it just did not
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:57,000
OLIVIA: Mixed with what he was telling the same Hotel on different
Nights Watch the secretary watch the Secretary of both of them he put
on the creepy playlist with both of them
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:06,000
SYD: Armie did everything exactly the same like a serial killer so
creepy you know
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:16,000
SYD: We are introduced to the lawyer defending the she's so awesome
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:25,000
OLIVIA: She is so cool I love I love when SYD: she says kinky isn't
illegal rape is she's kind of defending the point that
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:35,000
SYD: Whatever somebody chooses to do if it is consensual is not
against the law if it is something where someone wasn't giving a heads
up where someone said know where it's at any
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000
SYD: Any point consent was withdrawn
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:43,000
SYD: That is against the law and that's what happened with Effie with
Courtney with a cage we had these people yeah
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,000
OLIVIA: Page if you want to look more into Pages story she has a whole
video and talks about all kinds of crazy stuff it is
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
OLIVIA: It is absolutely Wild
00:32:51,000 --> 00:33:01,000
SYD: Armie Hammer was outed for on the stuff he employs a lawyer who
had previously defended Bill Cosby a classic
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:09,000
SYD: Not a good look OLIVIA: and he said it was like a kind of an on-
purpose PR move which is crazy because like I would not
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:19,000
SYD: But I guess it when you're I don't know I don't know I would you
do that why would you it's not it's not a great look yeah OLIVIA: but
Gloria Allred's does this awesome thing she's like
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OLIVIA:He's like that the other firm that's representing Armie there
is she's like they're kind of famous for representing Hollywood's bad
boys and I represent the women those guys hurt
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:39,000
SYD: Just like the episode of
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:49,000
SYD: House of hamburger end us seeing that if you actually go up the
family tree it gets even darker ahead OLIVIA: Armie Hammer's
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,000
OLIVIA:Behavior is literally the tip of the iceberg it's it's the
output of generations of
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:04,000
OLIVIA:Just people who had too much power and too much money and
abused it and abused everyone around them SYD: kind of starts to make
sense and you see a lot of parallels
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:14,000
SYD: So we end the episode seen Casey Hammer Armie Hammer's aunt
OLIVIA: who's coming out against her entire family against her father
and brother and grandfather
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:24,000
SYD: Wild because OLIVIA:she's so cool pretty badass SYD: because my
God her family could come after her the episode that she is going to
expose secrets
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
SYD: Of the Hammer family
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,000
OLIVIA: What
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:38,000
OLIVIA: The Hammer family is about and it's not good so next time we
will be getting more into Armie Hammer's ancestors and relatives in
his.
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000
OLIVIA: Dark Dynasties we've got his great-grandfather Armand
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:52,000
OLIVIA:And his and his grandfather and his father Michael his Aunt
Casey SYD: This gets really dark guys
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OLIVIA: If this has been heavy for you, go do something nice for
yourself. Go buy ourself to buy a nice candle get an ice cream watch
something fun and upbeat SYD: but if you're Twisted psychopath like me
and you want to hear more
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SYD: You can come back to another episode of dark Dynasty's next time
we'll be talking about more and if you want to educate yourself and
watch some stuff to the
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SYD: So that you can follow along with this go ahead and watch House
of hammer on Discovery Plus. Til next time I've been Sad Heller.
OLIVIA: I have been Olivia DiLaurentis SYD: thank you for listening
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SYD: To Dark Dynasties.
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